14:48  Cfnc: угу

14:49  Cfnc: Хозяин, превед)Я тихонько...Тяф-тяф, значицца...)))

14:50  LANA777: kapelka посмотрим. Думаю, если до амеров 1.9450 сделает, то можем бомбить 1.97. Если нет, опять дергатня начнется. Так практически всегда бывает при неопределенности настроений. Кто-то технику пытается отыграть, а кто-то тупо политику. Вопрос, кто победит. В таких случаях и говорят, что техника не работает.

14:50  Cfnc: Нуууу...Его (её) имя не произносят всуе...Под угрозой бана...Я уже подобное пережил...За ...эээ...некоторые словосочетания...

14:51  Хозяин тайги: совсем другое дело.Интересно,как скулить в письменном виде?

14:51  molozh: LANA777 14:50 а что такое будет с амерами. Чем они от других отличаются. Будет то же я думаю..

14:51  Cfnc: Слон и кит...Кто кого сборет?)...(С)

14:51  Tic: Приступим// 95255 купил 1/2

14:51  LANA777: kapelka упс. Походу я не сильно ошибаюсь, если верить аналитикам банков. Посмотрим.

14:52  Cfnc: Хозяин тайги 14:51 ...Думаю, на букву.. Ууууууууу

14:52  Хозяин тайги: письку через букву "е"?

14:52  Набор букв: Molozh А что сказать по РТС?.) ну падает.

14:53  Хозяин тайги: между прочим фф в дауне

14:53  JECK: Who's to Blame for the Credit Crisis?

14:53  JECK: The legal battles stretch from Main Street to Wall Street and beyond. Homeowners and subprime mortgage lenders are squaring off in scores of cases that claim some lenders engaged in predatory lending practices and other wrongdoing. Cleveland and Baltimore are pursuing cases against Wall Street banks, saying local residents are suffering because the banks fostered the proliferation of high-risk home loans.

14:54  molozh: Набор букв 14:52 на скоко?

14:54  JECK: Two questions lie at the heart of many of the cases. The first is whether lenders and investment banks alerted borrowers and investors to the risks posed by subprime loans or securities backed by them. The second is how much they were legally obliged to disclose. “Those are the two issues that are frequently raised,” said Jayant W. Tambe, a partner at the law firm Jones Day.

14:54  Cfnc: Аналитики банков-в основном мужчины...А ...эээ...девушки, которые верят мужчинам...Как правило...при всей своей красоте...Очень простодушны...Хотя...Есть ещё и Николь...А вот мужчина, который верит Николь...Называется несколько ...эээ...по-другому...

14:54  LANA777: molozh да ничего, думаю особливого не будет. Просто на понижении доллара ждут, что фунту легче вверх. Больше участников - больше движения.

14:54  JECK: As defaults and foreclosures rise, the various players in the housing market are all pointing fingers at each other. State prosecutors like Andrew M. Cuomo, the attorney general of New York, are investigating whether investment banks that packaged mortgages into securities disclosed the risks to investors and credit ratings agencies. Investment banks, in turn, are accusing lenders and mortgage brokers of shoddy business practices.

14:54  Кит: вновь в рынке по фунту. 9535 продал

14:55  JECK: “What strikes me here is that this a tainted system from A to Z,” said Tamar Frankel, a law professor at Boston University. “Everybody blames everybody else. If you look at what is being said, there isn’t one who doesn’t blame another and there is half-truth in everything.”

14:55  haba: Продажа кабеля утренняя закрыта :)) Фуй то же... осталась е/й но стоп поджат до неприличия...

14:55  JECK: Wall Street banks that sold mortgage investments around the world face legal complaints from as far away as Australia and Norway. Lehman Brothers, the Wall Street bank with the biggest mortgage business, is being sued by towns in Australia that say a division of the firm improperly sold them risky mortgage-linked investments. Lehman has denied the charges and has said the unit, formerly known as Grange Securities, acted properly.

14:55  Cfnc: JECK 14:53...Хороший вопрос...напоминает мне...Кто боится Вирджинию Вулф?"!

14:55  JECK: Closer to home, members of a New Jersey family have sued Lehman for $4.14 billion, saying the firm steered them into complex securities that have become difficult to sell, Bloomberg News reported Friday. Lehman denied the accusations.

14:56  Aragorn: Набор букв Привет

14:56  JECK: In the United States, Lehman is suing at least six mortgage lenders and brokers like Fremont Investment and Loan and the Fieldstone Investment Corporation, claiming they sold Lehman dubious loans. Lehman claims that borrowers’ incomes were overstated, appraisals were inflated and the homes were in poor condition. In most cases, the lenders are fighting the allegations and Lehman’s demand that they buy back defaulted or otherwise problematic loans.

14:57  Хозяин тайги: опять 105-ая фига.

14:57  Alex_MSU: haba 14:38 // Да, конечно 105.50, очепятка

14:57  JECK: In another case, the PMI Group, a mortgage insurer, sued WMC Mortgage, a subprime lender that has stopped making loans, and its corporate parent, General Electric, in California Superior Court. PMI is trying to force the companies to buy back or replace loans that the firm was hired to insure and that it says were made fraudulently or in violation of the standards that the lender said it was using.

14:58  Tic: 9541/- 50% фикс и стоп на 9526

14:58  Хозяин тайги: на амерах возможно перелоу,т.к близко.

14:58  Aragorn: JECK Привет.

14:58  JECK: According to the lawsuit, a review of loans found “a systemic failure by WMC to apply sound underwriting standards and practices.” Reviewing a sample of the nearly 5,000 loans in the pool, Clayton, a consultant that reviews mortgage loans, identified 120 “defective” loans for which borrowers’ incomes and employment were incorrect or where the borrower’s intention to live in the home was incorrect. WMC offered to buy back 14 loans, according to the lawsuit.

14:59  Кит: 9542 добавил

14:59  JECK: Some of the loans have defaulted, and a trustee’s report on the pool of loans packaged and underwritten by UBS, the Swiss investment bank, shows that losses on some defaulted mortgages are as high as 100 percent. As of November, about 27 percent of the loans in the pool were either delinquent 60 days or more, in foreclosure or had resulted in a repossessed home.

14:59  Aragorn: Хозяин тайги 14:58 Купим!

14:59  Tic: тп на 9575

15:00  JECK: PMI is on the hook for losses on defaulted loans, lost interest and principal payments to investors who own a $29.6 million slice of bonds backed by the mortgages. A senior vice president at PMI, Glenn Corso, said he was unsure how much the company had paid out so far.

15:01  Набор букв: Molozh -1.5 где то.

15:01  JECK: A spokesman for G.E., Robert Rendine, declined to comment, citing the pending litigation.

Securities lawyers say cases involving mortgage-backed securities, which were generally sold privately to sophisticated institutional investors, are far more complicated than those involving stocks, which were sold publicly to everyday investors. Class-action lawsuits, a favorite tool of plaintiffs’ attorneys, will be employed less than they were after the plunge in technology stocks a few years ago because mortgage securities tend to vary in composition and disclosure.

15:02  Набор букв: Aragorn Добрый день.

15:02  Кит: 9546 долился до полного объема

15:04  JECK: “This is going to be much more complicated to prove, and it’s going to be case by case as opposed to class-actions,” said David J. Grais, who is a partner at the Grais & Ellsworth law firm in New York and an author of a recent paper on the legal liabilities of credit ratings firms. “This resembles the S&L crisis in the ’80s much more than it does the tech bubble in the ’90s.

15:04  Хозяин тайги: Да, Петр, попробуем.Но сначала посмотрим,как фондовый начнет у амеров.

15:04  JECK: Class-action filings spiked earlier this decade, jumping to 497 in 2001, from 215 the year before, according to Cornerstone Research, which compiles the figures in cooperation with the Stanford Law School. As those suits were resolved, new filings fell to a low of 118 in 2006. But as of mid-December, filings had jumped to 169, with about 32 of the cases related to the mortgage crisis.

15:04  Silenius: Tic А ты пользуешься фундоментальным анализом+ техническим?

15:05  JECK: Through the end of 2006, settlements in technology- and telecommunications-related class-action suits brought by shareholders totaled $15.4 billion, with more than a third of that coming from one company, WorldCom, according to Cornerstone. Settlements in Enron-related cases have totaled about $7.2 billion so far; the figure does not include Securities and Exchange Commission fines and settlements

15:05  Aragorn: Евробакс в б.у.

15:06  haba: Aragorn 14:59 Я б/й буду от 105 брать со стопом 60 пп или на прорыве выше 107,50

15:06  JECK: Bringing securities fraud cases has been made harder by recent Supreme Court decisions that favored Wall Street, companies and professionals like accountants. The court ruled earlier this month that two technology vendors could not be held liable for taking part in a scheme designed by a cable company to inflate its revenue. Last summer, in a ruling favoring the company, Tellabs, the court said that securities cases could be dismissed if investors did not show “cogent and compelling” evidence of intent to defraud.

15:07  JECK: Some plaintiffs are using other legal avenues like the pension law, the Employment Retirement Income Security Act. Under that law, managers who handle pension funds must act in the fiduciary interest of their clients. State Street Global Advisors, which manages pension money, has set aside $618 million to settle claims that the firm invested in risky mortgage-related securities.

15:07  Хозяин тайги: день ключевого перелома... не факт.

15:07  JECK: Some legal experts say that the recent Supreme Court decisions, which are largely based on cases bought by shareholders, may not have much bearing on the more complex cases that stem from securitization of mortgages.

15:08  JECK: There will be a whole new set of claims that deal with the unique nature of the securitization market,” Mr. Tambe of Jones Day said. “There will have to be new decisions that deal with those claims and a learning process for the bar and judiciary in those cases.”
Copyright © 2008 The New York Times

15:08  Alex_MSU: haba 15:06 // 105 могут не дать -)) я от 105.40 буду пробовать, присоединюсь к к тов. Васильеву -)

15:09  Кит: по 9555 удвоил объем, на 9549 фиксанул доливку.

15:10  Набор букв: Alex_MSU Сегодня Васильев может пересмотреть свой прогноз.

15:10  Aragorn: haba 15:06 105 могут и не дать.

15:11  Cfnc: Хозяин тайги 15:07 Согласен, конечно нет.Всё узнаем постфактум...
Временный офф.

15:12  Кит: итого имнею один объем со ср. 95488 - шорт

15:16  Набор букв: Действительно а где Пупсик?

15:18  Tomm: 206.23 фиксаж 2-х объемов от 207.20

15:20  Tomm: Лоси по фй почти отбиты.

15:21  73T: Tomm 15:20поздравляю.)))

15:22  haba: Aragorn 15:10 Там в принципе еще 2 фигуры потенциал есть вниз... так что хз... а закупочный сигнал у меня только зреть начинает еще зеленый совсем ... :))

15:24  Кит: фикс 50% по 9508 и восстановил объем по 9522

15:27  Tomm: 206.50 лонг 40%

15:27  Кит: средняя 95354 полным объемом шорт. стоп 9535

15:28  Tomm: стоп 206.20

15:28  Набор букв: Кит А вы кто тиК на оборот? А зачем?.)

15:28  Aragorn: haba 15:22 Посмотрим.

15:29  Набор букв: Вам тоже не дает покоя его земная слава?.)

15:29  haba: Е/й закрыл...

15:31  Vologda: В рынок по ка еще не вошел. Жду более выгодных уровней.

15:32  Aragorn: haba 15:22 Там, если провалиться, потенциала поболее, чем 2 фигуры. 102,50 маячит. Ниже 105 можно и о перевороте подумать ИМХО.

15:33  Aragorn: Vologda Привет. А куда входить думаешь?

15:36  Stick: В общем план таков... жене говорю, что поехал к маме, маме, что к любовнице... любовнице, что у жены.. .а сам забиваюсь в темный уголок с ноутом и торговать, торговать....

15:37  JECK: The European Central Bank needs to retain its focus on fighting inflation in the face of a very significant, ongoing market correction, ECB President Jean-Claude Trichet told legislators on Wednesday.

"In demanding times of significant market correction and turbulences, it is the responsibility of the central bank to solidly anchor inflation expectations to avoid additional volatility in already highly volatile markets," Trichet said.

Trichet, speaking to a European Parliament conference on financial supervision, said he stuck to the ECB's economic outlook, which foresees growth slowing to around 2 percent this year with risks to the downside.

15:37  Набор букв: Stick .))

15:38  Aragorn: Stick 15:36 Все так серьезно?

15:39  Кит: по фунту вне рынка

15:39  Хозяин тайги: ена может перевыполнить все планы.

15:39  Stick: Любовница должна быть такой, чтоб не стыдно было перед женой, если случайно застукает...

15:40  haba: Stick 15:36 А прикинь они все втроем созвонятся, договорятся, найдут... и как наваляют.... ужос

15:42  Stick: Aragorn 15:38 не... если я так начну торговать, то быстро солью... торгую так чтобы слить максимум за день 1 процент капиталла...

15:43  Stick: о да... ну как-то проносило)))

15:45  Stick: блин ночью прикупил енки... стоп через 10 минут выбило... остается тупо наблюдать как старые шорты по оной туда-сюда болтаются...

15:45  Кит: Набор букв 15:28\15:29>>как Вам сказать.. просто проверил его входы как индикатор для противоположных действий ... итог - профит в 2 раза больший.. при этом не отрицаю профитность его "работы"

15:45  Stick: haba 15:40 Stick 15:43

15:46  news_robot: Господа, в разделе Валютный рынок появился новый комментарий

15:47  Aragorn: Stick 15:42 Может наоборот, придет так-скать вдохновение, соответственно прибыль, и не один процент, а несколько. Надо только провести сравнительный анализ жены и любовницы на предмет предоставляемого вдохновения.

15:49  Кит: Набор букв 15:29>> что касается славы, то у него она вряд ли распространяется за пределы местной песочницы

15:49  Tomm: выбило, кроссы это что-то.

15:49  JECK: Sydney - The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) announced that Australia’s All Groups CPI rose 0.9% in the December quarter 2007, compared with a rise 0.7% in the September quarter, resulting in a total rise of 3.0% through the year to the December quarter 2007. The Reserve Bank of Australia’s Consumer Price Measures recorded a trimmed mean of 1.0 percentage change, with a weighted median of 1.1% for the December quarter 2007.